As of this morning, everyone's home-directory is now on the Microsoft cluster. The next Herculean task is to sort out the shared volume. And this, this is the point where past-practice runs smack into both best-practice, and common-practice.
You see, since we've been a NetWare shop since, uh, I don't know when, we have certain habits ingrained into our thinking. I've already commented on some of it, but that thinking will haunt us for some time to come.
The first item I've touched on already, and that's how you set permissions at the top of a share/volume. In the Land of NetWare, practically no one has any rights to the very top level of the volume. This runs contrary to both Microsoft and Posix/Unix ways of doing it, since both environments require a user to have at least read rights to that top level for anything to work at all. NetWare got around this problem by creating traverse rights based on rights granted lower down the directory structure. Therefore, giving a right 4 directories deep gave an inplicit 'read' to the top of the volume. Microsoft and Posix both don't do this weirdo 'implicit' thing.
The second item is the fact that Microsoft Windows allows you to declare a share pretty much anywhere, and NetWare was limited to the 'share' being the volume. This changed a bit when Novell introduced CIFS to NetWare, as they introduced the ability to declare a share anywhere; however, NCP networking still required root-of-volume only. At the same time, Novell also allowed the 'map root' to pretend there is a share anywhere but it isn't conceptually the same. The side-effect of being able to declare a share anywhere is that if you're not careful, Windows networks have share-proliferation to a very great extent.
In our case, past-practice has been to restrict who gets access to top-level directories, greatly limit who can create top-level directories, and generally grow more permissive/specific rights-wise the deeper you get in a directory tree. Top level is zilch, first tier of directories is probably read-only, second tier is read/write. Also, we have one (1) shared volume upon which everyone resides for ease of sharing.
Now, common-practice among Microsoft networks is something I'm not that familiar with. What I do know is that shares proliferate, and many, perhaps most, networks have the shares as the logical equivalent of what we use top-level directories for. Where we may have a structure like this, \\cluster-facshare\facshare\HumRes, Microsoft networks tend to develop structures like \\cluster-facshare\humres instead. Microsoft networks rely a lot on browsing to find resources. It is common for people to browse to \\cluster-facshare\ and look at the list of shares to get what they want. We don't do that.
One thing that really gets in the way of this model is Apple OSX. You see, the Samba version on OSX machines can't browse cluster-shares. If we had 'real' servers instead of virtual servers this sort of browse-to-the-resource trick would work. But since we have a non-trivial amount of Macs all over the place, we have to pay attention to the fact that all a Mac sees when they browse to \\cluster-facshare\ is a whole lot of nothing. We're already running into this, and we only have our user-directories migrated so far. We have to train our Mac users to enter the share as well. For this reason, we really need to stick to the top-level-directory model as much as possible, instead of the more commonly encountered MS-model of shares. Maybe a future Mac-Samba version will fix this. But 10.6 hasn't fixed it, so we're stuck for another year or two. Or maybe until Apple shoves Samba 4 into OSX.
Since we're on a fundamentally new architecture, and can't use common-practice, our sense of best-practice is still evolving. We come up with ideas. We're trying them out. Time will tell just how far up our heads are up our butts, since we can't tell from here just yet. So far we're making extensive use of advanced NTFS permissions (those permissions beyond just read, modify, full-control) in order to do what we need to do. Since this is a deviation from how the Windows industry does things, it is pretty easy for someone who is not completely familiar with how we do things to mess things up out of ignorance. We're doing it this way due to past-practice and all those Macs.
In 10 years I'm pretty sure we'll look a lot more like a classic Windows network than we do now. 10 years is long enough for even end-users to change how they think, and is long enough for industry-practice to erode our sense of specialness more into a compliant shape.
In the mean time, as the phone ringing off the hook today foretold, there is a LOT of learning, decision-making, and mind-changing to go through.
You see, since we've been a NetWare shop since, uh, I don't know when, we have certain habits ingrained into our thinking. I've already commented on some of it, but that thinking will haunt us for some time to come.
The first item I've touched on already, and that's how you set permissions at the top of a share/volume. In the Land of NetWare, practically no one has any rights to the very top level of the volume. This runs contrary to both Microsoft and Posix/Unix ways of doing it, since both environments require a user to have at least read rights to that top level for anything to work at all. NetWare got around this problem by creating traverse rights based on rights granted lower down the directory structure. Therefore, giving a right 4 directories deep gave an inplicit 'read' to the top of the volume. Microsoft and Posix both don't do this weirdo 'implicit' thing.
The second item is the fact that Microsoft Windows allows you to declare a share pretty much anywhere, and NetWare was limited to the 'share' being the volume. This changed a bit when Novell introduced CIFS to NetWare, as they introduced the ability to declare a share anywhere; however, NCP networking still required root-of-volume only. At the same time, Novell also allowed the 'map root' to pretend there is a share anywhere but it isn't conceptually the same. The side-effect of being able to declare a share anywhere is that if you're not careful, Windows networks have share-proliferation to a very great extent.
In our case, past-practice has been to restrict who gets access to top-level directories, greatly limit who can create top-level directories, and generally grow more permissive/specific rights-wise the deeper you get in a directory tree. Top level is zilch, first tier of directories is probably read-only, second tier is read/write. Also, we have one (1) shared volume upon which everyone resides for ease of sharing.
Now, common-practice among Microsoft networks is something I'm not that familiar with. What I do know is that shares proliferate, and many, perhaps most, networks have the shares as the logical equivalent of what we use top-level directories for. Where we may have a structure like this, \\cluster-facshare\facshare\HumRes, Microsoft networks tend to develop structures like \\cluster-facshare\humres instead. Microsoft networks rely a lot on browsing to find resources. It is common for people to browse to \\cluster-facshare\ and look at the list of shares to get what they want. We don't do that.
One thing that really gets in the way of this model is Apple OSX. You see, the Samba version on OSX machines can't browse cluster-shares. If we had 'real' servers instead of virtual servers this sort of browse-to-the-resource trick would work. But since we have a non-trivial amount of Macs all over the place, we have to pay attention to the fact that all a Mac sees when they browse to \\cluster-facshare\ is a whole lot of nothing. We're already running into this, and we only have our user-directories migrated so far. We have to train our Mac users to enter the share as well. For this reason, we really need to stick to the top-level-directory model as much as possible, instead of the more commonly encountered MS-model of shares. Maybe a future Mac-Samba version will fix this. But 10.6 hasn't fixed it, so we're stuck for another year or two. Or maybe until Apple shoves Samba 4 into OSX.
Since we're on a fundamentally new architecture, and can't use common-practice, our sense of best-practice is still evolving. We come up with ideas. We're trying them out. Time will tell just how far up our heads are up our butts, since we can't tell from here just yet. So far we're making extensive use of advanced NTFS permissions (those permissions beyond just read, modify, full-control) in order to do what we need to do. Since this is a deviation from how the Windows industry does things, it is pretty easy for someone who is not completely familiar with how we do things to mess things up out of ignorance. We're doing it this way due to past-practice and all those Macs.
In 10 years I'm pretty sure we'll look a lot more like a classic Windows network than we do now. 10 years is long enough for even end-users to change how they think, and is long enough for industry-practice to erode our sense of specialness more into a compliant shape.
In the mean time, as the phone ringing off the hook today foretold, there is a LOT of learning, decision-making, and mind-changing to go through.