A post on CoolSolutions today quoted another blog about why GroupWise makes sense over Exchange. This is some of the same stuff I've seen over the years. A faaaaavorite theme is to point to mass mailer worms taking out Exchange, leaving everyone else fat and running.
On 1/7/07 I wrote about just this sort of thing. A quote:
The other thing I mentioned 13 months ago was 'migration events'. We're coming up on one, in the form of Exchange 2007. As the other blog mentioned, the hardware requirements for Exchange 2007 are a bit higher than for 2003. Speaking as an administrator with a sizable Exchange deployment, the requirement of 64-bit OS is something of a non issue since I'd be using one anyway. For a small office with only 200 users, though, forking out for Windows Server 2003 64 would be expensive.
Another point mentioned is that GroupWise can run on anything, and Exchange (especially Exch2007) won't. Again, as a mail admin for a largish Exchange system that doesn't matter to me since I'll be using newer servers to keep up with the load anyway. Again, for small offices who upgrade their servers whenever the old one completely bakes off, this is a bigger concern.
The other migration point is the Public Folders that Microsoft dropped in Exchange 2007. Or rather, made a lot harder to manage. Their users roasted their account managers hotly enough that Exchange 2007 SP1 reintroduces Public Folder management. We make some use of Public Folders, but I can see an office that makes extensive use of them looking at Exchange 2007 as not a simple plonk-in upgrade that Exchange 2003 was from Exch 2000. GroupWise doesn't have a similar concept to Public Folders (Resources might be, but only sort of), so this doesn't help GW much, but is the sort of event that makes an organization really think about what they're moving to.
As for productivity, we haven't had problems. Our Exchange has about 4300 accounts in it right now. This is supported by three administrators and a lot of automation. That said, during summer vacation season when I'm the only one of us three here I can go whole days without touching anything Exchange. It just works. This is a claim I frequently hear from GroupWise shops, so... Microsoft can do it too eh?
Another thing on CoolSolutions lately has been a few pieces on marketing GroupWise. In short, it makes more sense for Novell to pitch GroupWise as the #2 player than it is to pitch it as fundamentally better than Exchange. This has some good points. There are some markets that GroupWise is a better fit than Exchange, and the small, infrequently upgraded office is one of them. As are organizations looking really closely at Linux. GroupWise can very well be the #1 mail product in the Linux space, so long as Novell can convince people that paying for email services in Linux is a good idea.
I close out my previous post 13 months ago with a paragraph that still stands:
On 1/7/07 I wrote about just this sort of thing. A quote:
The days of viruses and other crud scaring people off of Exchange are long gone. Now the fight has to be taken up on, unfortunately, features and mind-share. In the absence of a scare like Melissa provided, migrations from Exchange to something else will be driven by migration events. Microsoft may be providing just that threshold in the future, as they've said that they will be integrating Exchange in with SharePoint to create the End All Be All of groupware applications. Companies that aren't comfortable with that, or haven't deployed SharePoint for whatever reason may see that as an excuse to jump the Microsoft ship for something else. Unfortunately, it'll be executives looking for an excuse rather than executives seeing much better features in, say, GroupWise.Which, 13 months later, is still mostly true. Mass mailer worms are no longer the scourge they used to be, and are well handled by commercial AV packages. Mass mailer worms even look different these days, preferring to infest and send mail independent of the mail client directly to the internet, thus neatly bypassing the poor meltable Exchange servers. The fear of mass mailers is FUD leftovers from years ago, not a current threat or reason to get off of the dominant platform.
The other thing I mentioned 13 months ago was 'migration events'. We're coming up on one, in the form of Exchange 2007. As the other blog mentioned, the hardware requirements for Exchange 2007 are a bit higher than for 2003. Speaking as an administrator with a sizable Exchange deployment, the requirement of 64-bit OS is something of a non issue since I'd be using one anyway. For a small office with only 200 users, though, forking out for Windows Server 2003 64 would be expensive.
Another point mentioned is that GroupWise can run on anything, and Exchange (especially Exch2007) won't. Again, as a mail admin for a largish Exchange system that doesn't matter to me since I'll be using newer servers to keep up with the load anyway. Again, for small offices who upgrade their servers whenever the old one completely bakes off, this is a bigger concern.
The other migration point is the Public Folders that Microsoft dropped in Exchange 2007. Or rather, made a lot harder to manage. Their users roasted their account managers hotly enough that Exchange 2007 SP1 reintroduces Public Folder management. We make some use of Public Folders, but I can see an office that makes extensive use of them looking at Exchange 2007 as not a simple plonk-in upgrade that Exchange 2003 was from Exch 2000. GroupWise doesn't have a similar concept to Public Folders (Resources might be, but only sort of), so this doesn't help GW much, but is the sort of event that makes an organization really think about what they're moving to.
As for productivity, we haven't had problems. Our Exchange has about 4300 accounts in it right now. This is supported by three administrators and a lot of automation. That said, during summer vacation season when I'm the only one of us three here I can go whole days without touching anything Exchange. It just works. This is a claim I frequently hear from GroupWise shops, so... Microsoft can do it too eh?
Another thing on CoolSolutions lately has been a few pieces on marketing GroupWise. In short, it makes more sense for Novell to pitch GroupWise as the #2 player than it is to pitch it as fundamentally better than Exchange. This has some good points. There are some markets that GroupWise is a better fit than Exchange, and the small, infrequently upgraded office is one of them. As are organizations looking really closely at Linux. GroupWise can very well be the #1 mail product in the Linux space, so long as Novell can convince people that paying for email services in Linux is a good idea.
I close out my previous post 13 months ago with a paragraph that still stands:
So, Exchange will be with us a long time. What'll start making the throne wobble is if non-Windows desktops start showing up in great numbers in the workplace. THEN we could see some non-MS groupware application threaten Exchange the way that Mac (and Linux) are threatening the desktop.
I thought Groupwise lost any semblance of relevance years ago. I suspect even Zimbra has more paid seats than Novell's ancient offering.I write regarding your last paragraph which could face some scrutiny. I was just at a shop that had some MacOSX workstations running VMWare Fusion (but could also have been running Parallels) with Windows XP as the guest OS and Outlook 2007 therein. The user was developing in Adobe products on the Mac while Outlook on Windows was happily retrieving mail from Exchange 2007. Outlook appeared as though it was an app on the Mac. A little pricey perhaps, but who knows a few years from now. It isn't necessarily the workstation operating system, but rather the best overall choice from mobile client to server redundancy options returning the best value to the customer and their business.I haven't met anyone in 10 years who believed it was Groupwise that met such value.